The Australian pseudohistorian Fredrick Toben has been sentenced to three months in prison for publishing anti-Semitic material on his website, the Adelaide Institute. According to the Daily Telegraph:
Toben had been banned in 2002 from circulating anti-Semitic material on the website of the Adelaide Institute and had promised to abide by the order.
But a civil case brought by Jeremy Jones, former president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, found Toben had breached the order 24 out of an alleged 28 times.
The 65 year-old ‘revisionist’ has claimed that the Holocaust did not happen, accusing those who challenge his theories of having “limited intelligence”. A picture displayed on the Adelaide Institute website shows his nephew giving a “Hitler salute”. The Jerusalem Post reports:
Toben participated in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s 2006 conference called to debate whether the World War II genocide of Jews took place, where he argued the Auschwitz death camp was too small for the mass murder of Jews to have been carried out there.
He suggested only 2,007 people could have been killed at the camp.
Commenting outside the courthouse, Toben said: “I am quite prepared to sacrifice my physical comforts for the sake of free expression”. However, Jeremy Jones told Australian Broadcasting Corp radio: “In Australian law we have very open debate on most subjects, but that debate does not include a right to insult and abuse and humiliate people based on their race and ethnicity.”
Last year Toben was arrested in the UK on a German warrant for Holocaust Denial, but a British court ruled against extraditing him and he avoided prosecution. In 1999, he served seven months in prison in Germany after being convicted of Holocaust denial by the Mannheim court.
Counterknowledge.com investigated Frerick Toben’s claims to be an academic last year, finding that although he had a philosophy doctorate from the University of Stuttgart, he was for many years a high school English teacher. Toben’s website refers to President Ahmadinjead of Iran as having “the moral and intellectual integrity to stand up to the perversions of unbalanced/destructive world views”. It also links to a YouTube video claiming that on September 11th, 2001 the World Trade Center was brought down in a controlled demolition.
Despite the sentencing, Toben has remained free after the judge gave him two weeks to lodge an appeal.
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So they’re jailing pseudohistorians now.
“Despite the sentencing, Toben has remained free after the judge gave him two weeks to lodge an appeal.”
Do you object to this? What’s your opinion?
It’s a black month for European free speech, following hot on the heels of Jaqui Smith’s “hate the haters” list.
This is a news story, not an opinion piece. Since you ask, however, I disagree with prosecution and jail sentences for Holocaust Denial. My role - and Counterknowledge.com’s - is simply to expose the sorts of lies that Toben and his lot espouse… another link from his website mentions thermo-nuclear weapons in relation to 9/11.
So Toben mentions nukes in relation to 9/11?
Your point is?
He’s a nut ball. It sounds like he went farther than just being a holocaust denier but treaded on the racist/hate line which appears to be illegal in Australia.
“So Toben mentions nukes in relation to 9/11? Your point is?”
According to a conspiracy theory encouraged by Toben, fourth generation nuclear weapons were used to destroy the Twin Towers on 9/11. It’s important to recognise that we are dealing with a nutjob - and a very offensive one - not just a controversial historian.
I too disagree with any laws that criminalize Holocaust denial. People should have a right to be a shamless liar and lunatic.
Whatever claims Mr Toben has made should be allowed evaluation on its own merits. Not by jailing him for saying so. Why is the evidence so dangerous that he cannot tell people about it? Is someone afraid of it? Why?
As for him being a nut job? Maybe? Who can tell, if we cant see what he says? Did he really inisist that nukes were used? Or did he say, as many do, that thermite was used. He wont be the first person to say stupid or false things. WMD anyone? Aluminium tubes? Anthrax?
I have to agree with his right to free expression. We do not have any constitutional rights to free expression in this country, and it is most unfortunate that the likes of Jeremy Jones, former president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, has suceeded in supressing Australian freedom of expression.
But I suppose you better shut Mr Toben up, or he might start denying that there were any WMD.
“It’s important to recognise that we are dealing with a nutjob - and a very offensive one - not just a controversial historian.”
I find this level of discussion — constant use of “nutjob”, “nuball” or whatever — quite ennervating. It’s playground stuff. We’ve understood that you don’t approve of the man and that you’ve sound arguments to back up your gut instinct disapproval. So why resort to name-calling? We’re adults and should discourse on that basis.
As to someone’s being offensive, that’s your rightful opinion. Should we be legislating against offense caused? I find many things offensive in everyday life, but as an adult I accept these conditions and deal with them as I find them. Would I prefer it if weren’t offended by certain things? Yes, of course. Would I want to prevent someone’s offending me? Yes, and if I’m in face-to-face situation I’ll discuss the matter with the person concerned. But seeking to prevent someone from causing offense by imposing blanket statutes against free speech is wrong.
Let’s all try to rise above the language of hatred and get to the heart of the matter: adult discussion based on the facts.
You do yourselves a real disservice by resorting to childish, non-adult name-calling.
… and how can we tolerate the fact that denial, however offensive, can be regarded as a crime? Some people won’t accept any truth, however self-evident. We should be talking, not shutting people up.
Discussion in a climate of fear can never be free.
I applaud the decision taken by the court. I can as I do not live there. The problem is Toben is inciting people to the level we have seen in our most recent history when Slavs, Jews, Irish and Black people were murdered as a result of people like him. Anyone remember that well thought out and scientific theory of Eugenics??
Toben has no right to make statements as he has done. He does not present accurate evidence, instead he uses statistical methods to show it could not have happened. Maybe the eyewitness accounts from the advancing soldiers and the survivors of these horrific camps exaggerated a bit. After all it was a huge physical and mental blow. There is no way that they could have exaggerated to the extent of the actual evidence (photographic, eyewitness, survivors and let us not forget the in ordung records kept) actually states the case. At some point in time the senses are overwhelmed and the gross evil that was present causes us to blank what stares us in the face.
I wonder when the holocaust deniers will start on the Serb/Croat murders? Will they deny a famine that killed millions in Ireland while food fled the country? Will they deny the forced sterillisation and euthanasia that Sweden and the US were involved in during our worlds Eugenic period? What about Chinas murder of its own citizens?
No! Toben and his kind have to be stopped here, now at this moment in time. They are contemptible, beneath those of us who hope that we will not repeat the mistakes of history and perpetuate the “right” of people to take away the lives of others.
As a matter of fact, there are people who deny or are apologists in regard to all above-mentioned issues.
For example, I do not like Croat neo-Nazis, whether armed by Hitler or by the West. The idea of sterilizing retarded people does not fill me with horror. The idea of putting the insane in nice mental hospitals does not get me all red in the face.
Three strikes, you are out: I am marked as illiberal, and Mr. Smacx will come and leaflet outside my house, trying to chase me out of the neighborhood, as some American Jews are doing to Santomauro, since they cannot close him down legally.
Re: Pseudohistorian
You are a proponent of free speech - which I commend - yet you react pretty strongly to my use of the word ‘nutjob’, suggesting it is an example of “the langauge of hatred”. Lighten up - Toben is quite plainly bonkers.
I agree, however, with your opinion that the heart of the matter is “an adult discussion based on the facts”. Welcome to Counterknowledge.com
@matteo b
I do not like to be taken out of context. Therefore I will spell it out for you.
The right for anyone or group to incite violence against another is not a legitimate one. The right to take away from others their freedom, dignity and life is not a legitimate one. The right to counter an argument with properly researched facts and to express horror and revulsion at those who persist in claiming these illegitimate rights is called freedom of speech.
I do not condone anyone who speaks from a platform of hatred. I do not condone those who insist their “principles” are correct based on their warped view of the world. I will not insist anyone accept what I say as de-facto truth, I will ask them to inform themselves as I have by looking at both sides and using my rational, well informed mind come to a conclusion that is morally and socially correct.
Your point is?
Hide under the bed, the speech police is at the door.
Hur Hur Hur…..
Lets just say, that on a topic as serious as this the childish approach is not appropriate.
Apologies if my writing style is a bit on the correct side, I just don’t believe that spurious off the cuff remarks are warranted.
If you want to engage me in debate, I would be happy to take you on. But remember, in a battle of wits it is a good idea to come armed.
‘He suggested only 2,007 people could have been killed at the camp.’
I presume that Toben has played a typical denier trick, insofar as he is focussing on just one part of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex - the Auschwitz I camp which has been preserved as a memorial.
In any case, it comes as no surprise to me (re: Will Heaven’s comments) that yet again someone who is prepared to tell lies about the Holocaust is also prepared to tell lies about 9/11. I’ve seen that quite often on the comments page here, and on other sites with a similar purpose to Counterknowledge.
For what it’s worth, I am unhappy with the idea of Toben going to jail, as this gives him the veneer of persecution. Like Lipstadt, Hilberg and other genuine historians, I believe that lies are best fought with the truth.
I do not need my views of historical events to be approved or condoned. In a free society, at the free marketplace of ideas, I need the freedom to express my irregular, then suspicious, definitely vile, verging on shameful, actually revolting, truly horrifying, hate-filled views. At which point is the thought police going to intervene?
I know that those who require that my opinions be “properly researched”, will be displeased with the quality of my scholarship. Next, without doubt, the speech police will knock at my door.
The only thing that they will tolerate are thoughts. Sure, it does bother them, the fact that “die Gedanken sind frei”. But have patience, they are working on the problem, and the day will soon come when Free World Free Speech Police will be able to scan our mind, to make sure it’s kosher.
P.S. 2000 and seven? Toben is obviously mentally ill, maybe he will be saved from jail on that account.
…first they came for the Holocaust deniers, but I didn’t speak up because…
The jailing of people for being nutters/nutjobs was Soviet, was it not ? To deny the succes and/or inevitability of socialism was to self-condemn. Today, to deny Al Gore’s global warming climatastrophe is to be similarly condemned, and the ever-so-tolerant green/left are muttering about it being a crime.
Free speech is apparently guaranteed by The UN Declaration of Human Rights. Is that wonderful document being diluted on our watch ?
Just to clarify something for you all; he was NOT jailed for what he said! He was jailed because he repeatedly breached a court order. The court order could have been for anything. Breaching a court order is considered a very serious offence in Australia and other jurisdictions because, as the logic goes, if people become prepared to thumb their nose at our justice system then we have no enforcable rights anymore.
The Russians are also legislating against ‘deniers’ to protect a single view of history:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8058087.stm
The correct response to Toben is ridicule and and invitation to all to go to Germany and Poland as see for themselves the historical evidence. Something Toben has not done. In the meantime, however small this type of disturbed individual is in our society, persecution by courts merely proves to them that the authorities are covering up the truth. Like the hysterical fools following whatever one of the dozens of 9/11 hidden conspiracy theories available they are best told to look for some medication from their doctor.
Ironic and Orwellian that we have the executive and judiciary in modern Australia behaving like police state Nazi’s because they don’t like what they are hearing in this case. The guy can say whatever he wishes as far as this goes. He is not violating anyone’s individual rights specifically and the state yet again here is engaging in crime, period.
Quite. If a writer makes mistaken assertions or deliberately lies,they can be challenged with clear references to actual facts. If he incites people to actsof violence there are laws against this. When the expression of a point of view is criminalised, we are entering the territory of “thoughtcrime” and the idea of free speech becomes meaningless. It is quite conceivable other points of view, currently deemed innoccuous or even praiseworthy, may at some future time be criminalised.
“Al Gore’s global warming climatastrophe…and the ever-so-tolerant green/left are muttering about it being a crime.”
The only crime we have muttered about was not the denial, but the hiding of evidence, along the lines of hiding the danger of tobacco or lead in paint.
It is a pity that people like Toben and Irving are being jailed for voicing their foetid interpretations of the Holocaust. They do so much more damage to their reprehensible cause by being free to express their (mal)interpretations of historical truth than when they are locked up in a prison and limited in their expressions.
Irving, for example, gave a tea party for Bishop Richard Williamson, a truly misguided fool. Had Irving not been free to host the good Bishop the paper I wrote on the Bishop’s silly statements would have had less relevance:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/williamson/williamson.shtml
There is no crime in denying whatever you choose to deny. The crime is to jail the deniar.
There is dam-near water-tight scientific consensus that the world is billions of years old. It is plain-sight denial for the millions of Christian evangelists who strongly believe that it is 6,500 years old. It seems patently ridiculous to make these claims - but then again, is it not offensive? As a secular humanist I take enormous pride in the graceful and tenacious ascent of humanity to the hiehgts we have now reached. I find a particular beauty in the development of my ancestors over thousands of years, millennia. When I am told publicly that none of this happened - that my billion-year old genetic ancestry is a lie, a sham, that all I have ever loved was just the plaything of some celsstial dictator, am I not entitled to be outraged? Are not these ‘evolutionary denialists’, in the face ov overwhelming geological evidence, plainly inciting intolerance to my entire belief system and cherished ancestory? I think that they should be detained and tried for their crimes against my identity.
Oh wait - secular humanists don’t have entrenched influence, financial puppetry and ferocious and tribalistic zeal. Oh well.
So how much notice would anyone take of Toben if he said he believed that the holocaust took place? With people like him it isn’t about truth or falsehood, it’s about getting notice and reputation with people who will contribute money……Toben is a nobody; the one who is scary is Irving because he can make it sound reasonable and right and his spin is difficult to counteract without a lot of time and effort.
Remember the old saying, “Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me”?
It needs to be revised to, “Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will now land me in jail.”
Personally, I think 12 million Jews were killed in the holocaust: If Abe Foxmann thinks only 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust does that make him a holocaust denier?
My conclusion, having worked at the Twin Towers, is that the Thermite that was used in the demolition as a cutting-charge was not sufficient to actually cause the apparent ‘collapse’ whereas it required the sensation of dead silence, unlike normal bottom-up implosive means, such as we saw on Building #7. (’Loaded’ around 1989, upon completrion of the steel frame.)
The use of a thermobaric charge in the basement level 3 would explain the observable phenomena. Additionally, tri-coordinated sonic blasts could have facilitated the process through sub-structural resonant means. Two ’smoking guns’ persist, (justifying Towbin’s belief,) the resultant heat, well over 3,200 degrees for 6-10 weeks, and the total pulverization of all materials within. Generally, the overt efforts on the part of our government to cover-up the true story are sufficient to cause global alarm. Even the OJ case was handled with kid gloves by comparison, (pun intended.)
Sadly enough, hate-groups, like the ADL have concocted this bogus phrase ‘deniers,’ intending to somehow discredit those who do not believe the official numbers. But, to make of this a crime, they had better include those of us who do not believe in the tooth fairy, who have litte regard for the Easter Bunny, and who neglect to recognize that ‘Santa’ is quite literally “totally addicted” to chocolate ‘bickies!’
@Luke: People should thumb their nose at the so-called ‘justice system’ in OZ, simply because it is entirely predicated on a system foisted upon it’s servants by the Queen of England.
You said ‘goodbye’ to ‘freedom’ when you chose NOT to defend the first “Official Constitution of Australia,” on 12.30.1999. –Or don’t you recall your nation’s whimpering response to the Ghost PM? Like, dude, “Not your right to know,” as we Americans see it, is very similar to “Get your ass down on the ground, Comrade, or I will * you.”
Both ‘ideals’ are rooted in the notion that YOU cannot guarantee the government will remain subserviant to YOU, meaning All citizens, individually and collectivly, unless you are unencumbered in challenging every single rule and ordinance they may propose.
“Rule by referendum” is the only option either nation can call on as long as the entire system can be subjugated to Maritime, as opposed to Civil Law.
What is the evidence of mass murder of jews during WWII? Is it true that millions were gassed and cremated, buried, gassed by deisel fumes, shrunken heads, their skins made into lamp shades? What’s the truth here? Why is this man Toben being silenced? What if he’s wrong? So what? What if he’s right? So what? Do we jail people for denying Jesus Christ? Why not?
The Director of the Holocaust Museum at Auschwitz is a Holocaust denier, because he agrees with the changes made to the number of dead Jews claimed on the plaque out front. (4 million was changed to 1.5 million).
He also states that the Russians built the “gas chambers” after the war.
I HEREBY DENY THE HOLY-COST!
EVERYONE I KNOW DENIES IT!
I HEREBY ENDORSE THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION!
WHY?
ONE BIT OF FICTION DESERVES ANOTHER! EH?
History repeats itself - the establishment in the Medieval Ages (the Church) had the Inquisition to suppress free thinking. The ruling elite of the 21st century is no different.
Will Heaven … what if I call YOU a “nut-job?” Would that be OK?
Having followed your “Meet the Team” link at the top of your counterknowledge website, I am completely underwhelmed. What I found was a profusion of young men who by definition must have a rather limited experience of life.
Posting big-mouthed opinions and then trying to make them stick by gathering together as a group, in order to intimidate individual readers, isn’t the way forward my friend.
On first inspection, you seem to be rather too well funded to be a genuine venture. I suspect you represent (because you might otherwise be unemployed journalists) a last gasp effort by the Establishment to hold back the tide of truth and reason.
Your snobbishness about who is, or who is not qualified to study History (in your humble opinion) really stinks. Let me tell you something … academics are not intelligent by definition. All they represent are persons who have been indoctrinated into the system … into orthodoxy. But that is precisely where the problem lies … in adhering to historical orthodoxy.
Other commenters have already pointed to the number of times key statistics associated with this Holohoax have been revised since 1946. Surely those responsible for such seldom-reported changes are the real ‘historical revisionists’ and not people like Toben?
The Tobens of this world exist because Journalism is chock full of fresh-faced urchins who don’t yet have the wisdom to sort the wheat from the chaff, and also because orthodox Historians (the so-called Academics) have FAILED us! In other words, most academic historians are incompetent and/or too fearful of rocking the boat. Under such conditions, the only people likely to uncover the truth about the so-called ‘Holocaust’ will be the Tobens of this world … whether you like it or not.
To chastise this man simply because he has far more guts than you, and is willing to go against the grain, speaks volumes about the true and shoddy character of those who are responsible for this website.
I would suggest you get back to studying Classical Greek before you end up, due to your immaturity, cutting the last tenuous threads that presently allow us to believe we are still living in a democracy. Shame on you.
the holocaust happened a long long time ago. i don’t think that any of us were there, we didn’t witness it, nor did we partake in it, at least not in this incarnation anyhow.
so why then is everyone so opinionated about a subject that none of us saw with our own eyes?
one thing is for sure the predominantly jewish controlled mass media is hell bent on continually foisting a version of the events upon us - ad nauseam - (indeed have you ever seen a holocaust movie that didn’t sweep the oscars, and lets remember that the oscars is completely an in-house situation these days) in the hope that we don’t forget how hard done to they were when now they own and control much of the worlds wealth/media/resources.
Why are there so many hell bent on telling us things happened the way they did and also hell bent on going after the people who open it up to discussion? Why is it a closed subject?
The only reason i can see that anyone would be so focused on persecuting anyone that denies the holocaust is FEAR. Because if it really happened the way it did why worry? truth is truth and it will always out in the end - that is it’s nature.
it doesn’t take a degree in history to know that something smells fishy though.
It is like someone saying to you-
“This is the way it happened, trust us, and under no circumstances investigate for yourself - just take our word for it”
I am a Hollowcast denier . There is plenty of evidence that the Hollowcast (sic) is a fraud . The Red Cross report issued after WW2 did not mentiont his episode . Even Bishop Williamson recenctly stated that only may be a few hundred thousand people died in concentration camps . The number of people whio died in Auschwitz has been revised down on the commerative plaque a few times .This H trick is to extract money under false pretenses from EU states and justify the criminlity and APARTHEID that goes on in Palestine . This case again
illustrates the fact that in Australia today the judiciary works hand in had with ASIO and the laws are in place to protect a certain criminal Midlle Eastern CABAL that controls even the USA . It seems that saying that the emperor has no clothes can land people in jail . That fact that it is not possible to research the Hollowcast indicates that people are forced to believe the official garbage . Legitimate historians that do not follow the political correct line suddenly become ” pseudo historians ” . There are plenty around like “Faurissons ” .What’s the difference between the Kangaroo Court that condemned Galileo Galilei and the Kangaroo court in the Toben case ? What happened to the
what Universal declaration of Human Rights that Australia signed but does not observe ? Australia even sends ASIO agents overseas to harass expatriates that know of a huge judicial scandal kept secret by the criminals in charge .
It is time to wake up about what Australia has become
I am a proud expatriate that denies the HOLLOWCAST !
Sooo, historic review is hate speech. Amazing. Any other examples of historical review being illegal? Civil war? Vietnam? Korean war? Gulf war? So it’s only the jews who need to have their historical “facts” protected by law. Read 1984.
Toben is a modern day Paul Revere who warned of the approaching Britsh army in America.He is correct.He is a martyr.A genuine hero.He should not be ignored because the old testament and the Talmud holy book rate one race as human the rest of us are animals and subject to the desires of the real race.If we are killed it matters little.There is a race who wishes this planet for itself alone and they are happy to kill to get it as in their holy books.
When are you stupid sheeple wake up and do your homework on the Holocost. THE JEW WORLD ORDER. READ - the Balfour Treaty and maybe you will start to understand. What happened to FREE SPEECH. The Jews do not want you to know the truth. When you do find out you will be very angry at all the lies you have been told.
Every serious look at the Holocaust has found that there are people living who were claimed exterminated, there are claimed mass graves are completely non-existent, and the numbers of dead have been significantly exaggerated. Zionists doesn’t want this known because they prefer to be seen as victims instead of thugs, terrorists, land theives, orchard burners, civilian killers, water thieves, people who ignore dozens of dozens of UN resolutions, and generally badly behaved people.
I used to have the highest opinion of Australia.
Like America it is no longer the land of the free.
It has become the land where a ‘thought’ crime ends you up in prison.
I am old enough to remember the old Soviet system at its worst.
Australia, this is the small edge of the wedge.
Knocks on doors in the middle of the night are next.
Ask many Americans today.
Why is he imprisoned?
The suspicion is, that it is not that he wasn’t right, the ‘powers that be’ cannot prove him wrong.
He cannot be proved wrong by debate - so he is imprisoned.
If you have a remotely open mind you will have worked this out for yourselves.
Australia has done some valuable work in correcting the accuracy of holocaust claims.
It was Australians who have proved that one famous camp which supposedly had mass graves in its grounds didn’t even have a fox hole.
Doesn’t that get through your brainwashed minds that something is indeed wrong with the story.
Also give some consideration to the fact that the Russians lost nearly 30 million dead turning back the Nazis. The suffering in Russia was as bad if not worse than anything reported as having happened in the camps.
If we are going to venerate sacrifice and war dead - lets start with them perhaps. Lets get some perspective when we consider WW2.
Let us also remember that up to 5 million Germans died in the days ending WW2 from starvation and disease as the allies blockaded the country. Could it be that many of the ‘holocaust’ victims died as a result of this blockade. There was no food for many, not just jews.
I for one think its about time the facts were fully examined. There are far too many myths being peddled as facts.
The Holocaust Denial problem should be dealt with in a civilized manner, all the expert’s on the issue from all around the world
need to get together, as in Iran, from both sides of the debate, and have an open and honest inquest, all genocide’s from the overthrow of The Czar of Russia, 1st & 2nd world war’s up to and including the genocide of the Palisinians need to be dealt
with. But then again Israel would not like the world to know the truth, because if the goyim really knew what has happened then
you would see some really serious HATE CRIMES………..
we have woken up here in Australia to the fact that we are the 53
or 54th state of America and you know who controls America
So…he’s nutjob. So what? That does not detract one iota from his human right to freely speak his mind on any subject he chooses. Start banning nutjobs from having their say and soon no one will be able to have their say…on any issue.
No.. I dont approve of anyone assuming MY intelligence in this way. You either believe in the principle of free speech, or you dont…you cant get a little pregnant on this issue…and with apologies to those from the professional think tank class and to the fearful - you just dont get to pick and choose who has that right….not now..not ever…even if you outlaw it….its a HUMAN right…not a betowed grace. Grow up and stop acting like paranoid children.
I see a lot of name calling here.
Holohoax or Holocaust. I don’t know.
What I do know is:
When the facts are against you argue the Law.
When the Law is against you argue the facts.
When the Law and the Facts are against you call the other side names.
It does not serve Toben’s critics well to call him names.
The usual attempt at smear and character assassination tries to say all holocaust revisionists are “nazis”, “fascists” or “kkk”. But David Cole, a Jew who is a holocaust revisionist made a documentary on Auschwitz located here http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com Also Alexnder McClelland, an Australian war veteran of North Africa and Greece who fought the nazis, was a pow and concentration camp inmate, also a holocaust revisionist http://www.aijf.org/book.html Efforts to say that only people with limited intelligence don’t think the holocaust is genuine are thwarted when you realise that Bobby Fischer, the late world chess champion with a genius IQ was a holocaust revisionist.
There was of course one real death camp but zionists and liberals are not so keen on this one being remembered.
I doubt if you will ever have heard of it.
Even the Nazis and SS were shocked at what went on at that butchery. It was not a workcamp but fan extermination camp, real extermination.
Check it out and you will understand why the censorship. The real revisionism.
It throws some light on the breakup of Yugoslavia and the ethnic hatreds.
And of course, NATO bombs its victims.
Jasenovic.
this is sad for Australia, Fredrick Tobin is a historian to be proud of. SHAME AUSTRALIA !
this proves our freedom of speech is controlled by the Zionist mafia
anti-semitism is a desperate defense against the real truth
watch (Jewish) David Cole’s doco on Auschwitz and the holocaust, and you would be questioning the alleged story we are being force fed by the Zionist controlled mass media yourself.
the real truth has nothing to hide, but Zionists sure seem to hate it. they seem hell bent on bringing in martial law, anyway they can. whether it be by inside jobs or by man made swine flu hysteria. Mossad and it’s partners in crime, the CIA, mi6, and most western intelligence agencies are behind the bogus war on terror, with there manufactured terrorism, setting up Muslims and pushing them over the edge with atrocities, until they become freedom fighters. and then they are conveniently called Al-Quaida, Taliban, insurgents
anyone who has studied and researched history knows Zionists and there neo con puppets and useful idiots control the world with terror and money. they are the biggest threat to humanity, bar none.
anti-Zionist Jews have real ethics and morals, and are great people
there is good and bad in every race, color and species
Will Heaven sed: “This is a news story, not an opinion piece.”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Stop it, stop it. You’re killin’ me.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Maybe we should ask why his words hurt the jews so much, they feel a need to punish him. If he is a “nut job” I would only laugh at him if I were a jew. If it was true, I would try to silence him.
just shut up, and tow the line. that’s what they want you to do.
Someone please tell me what’s so important about the freaking jews, and their pseudo holocaust? Get out of my face with that crap. How about the black folks? how many millions were killed, enslaved, abused for centuries? By none other than your jewish traders. And look at what they are doing to the Palestinians. Where is there sense of compassion? Do they really feel threatened? Or is this genocide?
Sorry, but the holocaust is ancient F’ing history. Get outta my face with that crap.
hmm! i just love these tobin bashers. they demand the right to express there view point of mr. tobins view point, but then turn and say he has no right to express his view point, under the false premise that he is formenting hate speech, all the while these toben haters are doing the exact same thing they accuse him of doing. i think they call that hypocrasy. i could be wrong though, so i quess ill just have to wait for the tought police to carry me off to jail for spreading hate speech against the tobin basher’s. if i remember correctly there was another person in history charged with the exact same thing by his deniers. hmm! let me see, i think his name was jesus christ, of course i could be wrong though.
Open Letter To
Mr Simon Wiesenthal -
Nazis Chasing Sixty Years
After The War
From R. D. Polacco de Ménasce
France
6-27-4
My Dear Sir,
I do think that no Jew will ever dare to tell you the truth.
I am probably the only Jew left who can tell it to you.
I have learnt that you are still chasing very old persons who had responsibilities in the Nazi regime. Sixty years after! People who are eighty-five years old! How shameful!
Do you know one ethnicity who did such a thing in the course of the History of Mankind? You are the very symbol of Talmudic hysterical neverending hatred.
This is the more egregious as the Nazi regime gave work, sane economy and balance to a whole country, whereas today, everything (when I mention everything, I mean absolutely all) is both Jewish and entirely rotten.
Jewish Capitalism has collapsed the world into all forms of pollutions. Jewish Marxism has slaughtered 200,000,000 people.
To crown it all, everybody knows that there were not 6,000,000 Jews ( a country the size of Switzerland) in occupied Europe in 1941 (The American Jewish Year book, mentions 3,300,000 Jews and from that date (1941) on, we all fled to the Free Zone or to Spain towards England). And it is only one million Jews whom Hitler wanted to exchange for trucks at the period of the so-called Shoah. Besides we know that Zyklon B cannot gas 1000 or 2000 people at one time (see M.Roubeix, chief executive of the factory of Saint Avold producing cyanide acid) in gas chambers which have strictly never found norms.
I suppose you would rather have a Jewish USA government enshrined in Jewish finance, pinching petrol in Iraq, spreading Jewish one-worldism, Jewish pornography, Jewish press, Jewish puppets in all governments, than the cleanness of the Nazi regime which made a miracle out of the Jewish rot of the Versailles treaty - the negotiators of which were the Warburg brothers, and that of the Weimar Republic.
You are 95 years of age: if you are not insane what will you tell the Lord when you soon appear if front of Him?
I do wonder.
Entirely disgusted,
R. D. Polacco de Ménasce
Free Speech … what about free speech people????
Heared of freedom of speech anyone????
let`s talk about the ukrainians who died by the hand of the jew stalin and Cie…
Josef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) - 23 million (the purges plus Ukraine’s famine)
what about Mao Tse-Tung (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) - 49 to 78 million people
Funny you dont hear a soul talking about it or whining about it…
the jew holocaust is small patatoes compare to these!!
why jail someone for his opinions…live and let live people…
dont jail people for their opinions even if he`s a tad crackpot
you want me to continue , what about the arminians ??
what about the polish people???? i can go on and on…
please stop with this jewish holocaust after 60 years of biching it is time to put it to rest. enough is enough
what about the amerindians ???? 100 millions
what about the kurds????
what about the arminians???
When I hear people say that someone has no right to make statements……………Huh!! This whole concept is so un-’American, so foreign to ideas of free speech etc. that it’s mindboggling other nations don’t see it. No one has to believe what someone says. The person making these statments, isn’t twisting anyones arm to believe them. The State however, IS, insisting that whatever they say be believed, under the threat of punishment. This is the wrong road to go down for humanity. Have we learned nothing? It harps back to how the church, in its days of absolute power in Europe, would threaten scientists and other people if they weren’t quiet about certain things.
Fredrick Toben is a Saint and shoud be treated as such.
Stupid and sick of Jews always crying and mourns over holocaust since 60 years ago and they put and build holocaust museums everywhere around world to memorial for dead jews, Full of bull shit because no evidence about gas chambers , Look and think we have to pity on jews for their suffering loss?, No, Jews send Lord Jesus to condemned, And Jews supposed Emperor Nero to murdered millions of christians in 50 AD and they send more killing cathers, more killing than you think we have to put museum for memorial, No, but don’t forget other Mao Tse-Tung murdered millions in China and Tibet because socialist under communist belong to jews, Soviet police killing thousands of Polish armies by ordered from Jewish Josef Stalin and Jewish Lenin send Bolsheviks to shot royal tsars’s family and kill millions of white russians, don’t forget Jews and rabbis kidnapped kids for their sacrifice and worship for they drink kid’s blood, they like as vampire. they worship god of Jehovah -Yaldaboath the demiurge and his offspring of the chief achon, they are very dangerous and organised crime.
For all holocaust deniers, just simply do the the math. Take the population figures of jews before the holocaust and then take the population figures of jews after the holocaust. it should be 6 million lower, but add back the natural increase based on births during the period. end of story.
What I often find so strange is how the comments often reflect 80%-100% for freedom (from the orders) vs. the policies and arrests of the so-called ‘mainstream’ being carried out. Anyway, there is only one law; the golden rule, do not infringe on another’s life, liberty… All other rules, codes, statues, by-laws .. apply only to those who’ve thought them up! See detaxcanada.com
Here’s the Holo topic again. Just like the cause of the Nam war, 911 and this topic again, much time in research ana analysis is required. Cheap and quick comments are the works of the ignorant and those really not interested in the truth. They just cannot wait to get their 2-liners out there.
As the previous contributor said…just simply do the math..and you will find, from several official sources that between 1938 - 1946 the world population of Jews actually increased. After many years of research myself, my conclusion is that the Holo event is a hoax and it caught on in popularity and as fact during the kangaroo court days at Nuremberg, Germany. They say that to deny this hoax is a crime against a race and people that causes and caused them harm. I say this hoax from the days of Nuremberg and on has insulted many Poles, Urkraines, Russians ans even Germans today. Those that character assassinate are cowards, that have no facts to back up their claim…just like 911 etc.
Regardless of how we feel about what this man said or wrote, we must acknowledge the fact that he has been jailed for what he said or wrote - and for no other reason. It’s a huge step to take, and it’s a sword that cuts both ways. Stop the hyperbole, the insults, the ad hominem attacks, and realize that this man’s right to free expression has been crushed by the state. How far will we walk down this road? Will we kill people for their opinions next? Kill their “sympathizers,” their families? It is not far-fetched: the man has been thrown in a hole, with rapists, murders and theives. When political seasons change, who will be next?
1984 is well on it’s way folks. “Thoughtcrime” is alive and well and as soon as they manage to implant the microchips NO-ONE will escape. Its time to become self sufficent in the essentials, natural non-gmo food and water cos this depression was planned and will only end when the elites grind the middle classes into dust. Hyperinflation is next and all that cash you have saved or invested will become worthless. Its very depressing to see all the sheeple identifying with their opressors and attacking the awakened. God, i’d hate to be suffering from cognitave dissonance.
To those still asleep i would say, yes it’s initially very disturbing and uncomfortable to have the nice warm rug of constructed reality pulled from under you, but now that i know the truth of things everything makes a lot more sense and i’ve actually been walking around with a genuine smile on my face for the past few months and have never felt better. The truth WILL set you free. Free from the prison of the mind we are all crammed into as soon as we start that first day of school.
Incidently the word system was originaly the Roman word for SEWER
We are all brought up in the Educational SEWER
And our ‘Justice’ is metted out to us through the Judical SEWER
The true meaning of the language we use communicate has been kept from the general pop, for fairly obvious reasons.
Anyhoo, on the Holocaust topic Tobin is pretty much on the right track. Several actual residents of the ‘death camps’ came forward during the fifties and sixties to attempt to refute the mainstream position and said they were nothing more than work camps. Allied arial photography of the camps from 43′ through 45′ had no evidence of tall chimneys. And of course census figures refute the offical line also.
My position is that the Zionist elite(note, NOT the jewish people) grossly exagerated the numbers killed for thier own ends and in fact cared little for the actual victims, whatever their number.
Anyone who has not been drinking flouridated water(introduced by the nazis in their work camps to keep the populations docile) or Aspertame laced diet drinks will, with a bit of research and patience, discover the real facts.
Also i would imagine the maintainer of this website is either being well paid to ridicule those who seek real facts or has been happily guzzling down the aforementioned mind suppressents.
Peace
Sorry, but when you deny free speech we are all prisoners.
I think he is probably wrong. I say probably only because I did not see the evidence first hand.
Remember - Science advances by proving wrong what we thought to be right, not by proving it right. We cannot know everything so why can he not have his opinion? - Kinda makes you think of what Adolf would have done, had he won…..
Read Red Cross report about the reasons for all those pictures of starved, there was widespread hunger and even lots of germans were dying from it. Another piece of undeniable evidence is that officially Auschwitz victim figures have been reduced drastically.
We can find water on other planets but we still cannot find evidence of real gas chambers in concentration camps (except for made up one) or the mass graves.
The whole thing was well planned and executed by jews to acquire victim status so that they have free hands to commit any atrocity they want (like 60 years of genocide in Middle East) and prevent people condemning it publicly for fear of being labeled anti-semitic. 6 000 000 died in camps but, surprisingly enough 5 000 000 registered for reparation with German government. On top of that you read every so often that another, presumably dead “camper” surfaced somewhere in the world.
Only way that claim of six million can stand is by this sort of math:
Let me give an example of jewish mathematics, since not everybody here is familiar with the handling of numbers.
Now, lets first make a list of victims of the HC.
There were 10 at Auschwitz, 10 at Dachau, 10 at Buchenwald , 10 at Theresienstadt, 10 at Bergen-Belsen and 10 at various sites.
You can see this is six times the number “10″.
Now let us first add up the six “1″. 1+1+1+1+1+1 = 6
Clear so far?
Ok, now we have the six zeros left. Let us put them behind the 6.
We get: 6.000.000
Actually, this is not so difficult, isn’t it?
And, by the way, I too believe that 9/11 was inside job, that ALL major wars were deliberately started upon lies and financed (both sides) by international bankers ( red shield family features prominently and is also in control of all ten banks who control “Federal” reserve) and that jewish lobby has US by the balls. Those facts can easily be checked through patient research. I am also gagged by Brutish courts because I believe in telling the truth and truth is highly damaging to fraudsters, deceivers and criminals in general.
Vicious persecution of those who have opinion that opposes the jewish “view” could not be seen as anything but that they have something to hide and that is the reason for such evil attacks on those who try to tell the truth.
Here’s bit of a shock for likes of Gupta:
Jewish Population Total from Various Sources
Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 — 11,600,000
World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 — 15,630,000, “In 1925 a census of Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews”
World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 — 15,630,000
National Council of Churches 1930 — 15,600 ,000
March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express — 14,000,000 jews worldwide
World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 — 15,316,359, [”The estimate for Jews in the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee”
World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 — world Jewish population = 15,753,633
World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 — world Jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 — 15,600,000
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population — 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population — 15,748,091
World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population — 15,192,089 (”Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion”)
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population — 15,690,000
World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population — 15,713,638
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 — 15,300,000
Encyclopedia Britannica’s 1955 Book of the Year — 11,627,450, “Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not”
World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of Jews — 16,820,850
World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population — 14,117,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population –18,080,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population — 13,200,000
And, by the way, I too believe that 9/11 was inside job, that ALL major wars were deliberately started upon lies and financed (both sides) by international bankers ( red shield family features prominently and is also in control of all ten banks who control “Federal” reserve) and that jewish lobby has US by the balls. Those facts can easily be checked through patient research. I am also gagged by Brutish courts because I believe in telling the truth and truth is highly damaging to fraudsters, deceivers and criminals in general.
Vicious persecution of those who have opinion that opposes the jewish “view” could not be seen as anything but that they have something to hide and that is the reason for such evil attacks on those who try to tell the truth.;…
Thank you Archiopoly. Little bit of flattery goes a long, long way, I appreciate it.
Now folks, to see more about jewish constructive figures, history of being (I believe rightly) expelled from almost every country in the world and a lot besides you can visit http://www.dottal.org I’ve just got it up today. (it used to be lbduk.org)
Len Miskulin
Eustace Mullins wrote a piece about the human race being the victim of parasites. Very interesting, though chilling.
As far as I know (I am an Australian), denial of the holocaust is not a crime per se as it is in several European countries. So what was Tobin charged with? I don’t know, but I strongly suspect it was inciting racial hatred, which is a crime according to the criminal codes in Australian jurisdictions.The little article doesn’t go into much detail, so it’s difficult to comment. It can be problematic reconciling the right of free expression with the duty of the state to protect its citizens. Not that free expression can ever trump the right to be protected. But it can be difficult to judge when an act of expression has become defamatory. I guess that’s why we have courts. In such a case as this, I am guessing the courts have to make a distinction between what is historical unsound (holocaust denial) with what actually incites racial hatred. Without knowing the case, or Tobin’s work, I am guessing again, that that is what the court did. And, I would say, justly so. In Europe, or some jurisdictions in Europe, the matter is far from direct. There the assertion of a historical inaccuracy is judged as criminal. I agree with some other posters that this is problematic. Much as I distance myself from the opinions of those who deny the existence of the Final Solution, I worry for the freedoms Europeans seem to give up. It’s a hard problem.
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