Did Muslims discover America?

Neither Columbus nor a Muslim contingent from Caliph Abdullah Ibn Mohammed actually discovered America. Native Americans were living here in the States long before either made landfall (or claim to have).

Imam Al-Hajj Talib ‘Abdur-Rashid could improve his PR if he spent more time pointing that out.

As a Pennsylvanian friend of mine would say ‘hmm; in-te-res-ting’ when he means ‘utter b.s.’ The opinions you quote, I mean, not your comments, which really are interesting.

I always thought, by the way, that Khalil Gibran was actually not a Moslem at all, but a Maronite Christian.

Oh, it gets worse. There are ‘historians’ of the non-Islamist variety (along with good old Trevor Philips, late of the CRE) claiming it was Islam that defeated The Armada. See below (and follow links to the previous posts:

UK Commentators – Jerry Brotton – the Myth That Keeps On Giving

A good and similar topic for Counterknowledge would be “Did Muslims Discover Anything Much?” – I got interested in the subject after seeing Adam Hart-Davis’ “What the Muslims for Us” after which I did my own research and found out that nearly every claim made in the programme was not only wrong, but easily checkable as wrong. Yet the same old claims get made for the so-called “Golden Age of Islamic Science” from book to book, from documentary to documentary.

That is simply beside the point. There is no reason why America should not have been “discovered” several times before Leif Ericsson and Columbus. One lucky ship from Europe or North Africa could possibly have crossed the ocean, though it is deeply unlikely that it would have made it back. We know that one Phoenician ship sailed all aroud Africa, which is equally tough. The point however is that once the Norse discovered Iceland, once Eric the Red discovered Greenland, once Columbus reached the Caribbean, in each case, there were vast contingents of seaworthy vessels, used to deep-water sailing and fully capable of regularly sailing there and back again, ready to start a massive trade and settlement. Within twenty years of Columbus first landing in the Bahamas, the Spanish had set up a working empire across the islands, with a proper capital (Habana) and governing functions. This would have been wholly impossible to Romans, Egyptians, or golden-age Muslims; their ships simply weren’t up to the task. As for the Muslims of Columbus’ time, the fact that they did not even try speaks for itself.

Imam Al-Hajj Talib ‘Abdur-Rashid also overlooks the truth that his ancestors were sold – as plain and simple livestock – by Arab Muslim slave traders to white colonialists. Nothing more, nothing less – livestock.

How it is that so many African Americans can suggest otherwise is a sad denial of history. The Arabs cared nothing then, and care nothing today, for the commodity of black slaves that they (until now) refer to as “Raisin Heads”. Abdur-Rashid and his followers are severely deluded if they think that Islam will give them any redress in this life, or the hereafter. You are Kuffar Mr Abdur-Rashid – as are all those upon whom you so enjoy laying the finger of blame.

Columbus himself wrote in his travel logs that when he arrived in what is now Central America, the word the locals were using for gold was Ghana. This is what they called gold in muslim North Africa where Columbus learned his trade. Columbus also noticed that the natives tied their spear-heads onto long poles in the same fashion as they did in North Africa. He also noted that there were also many folks among the people who resembled the people of North Africa.

To base anything on our written history is a bad move as history is written by the ruling elite.

Also. . .it can be noted that Vikings also beat Columbus to the new world and they rowed here.

Now I’m not saying Columbus wasn’t a true adventurer because he was. But credit should go where it is due.

Mongolians walked here, Vikings rowed here, and Muslims were probably here before Columbus. So Columbus comes in forth.

I understand the nature of this website is to be harsh and assertive over silly rumors and conspiracies, but quite honestly, the writer of this article was almost completely biased.

Before anything, my immediate response to the author would be this:

http://www.sunnah.org/history/precolmb.htm

Just to pull some things out of it:

-Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21,1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain. The ruins of mosques and minarets with inscriptions of Quranic verses have been discovered in Cuba,Mexico,Texas and Nevada. (8)

Anthropologists have proven that the Mandinkos under Mansa Musa’s instructions explored many parts of North America via the Mississippi and other rivers systems. At Four Corners, Arizona, writings show that they even brought elephants from Africa to the

area.(7)

-There are 565 names of places (villages, towns, cities, mountains, lakes, rivers,.. etc. ) in U.S.A. (484) and Canada (81) which derived from Islamic and Arabic roots. These places were originally named by the natives in precolumbian periods. Some of these names carried holy meanings such as: Mecca-720 inhabitants (Indiana), Makkah Indian tribe (Washington), Medina-2100 (Idaho), Medina-8500 (N.Y.), Medina-1100, Hazen-5000 (North Dakota), Medina-17000/Medina-120000 (Ohio), Medina-1100 (Tennessee), Medina-26000 (Texas), Medina-1200 (Ontario), Mahomet-3200 (Illinois), Mona-1000 (Utah), Arva-700 (Ontario)…etc. A careful study of the names of the native Indian tribes revealed that many names are derived from Arab and Islamic roots and origins, i.e. Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin, Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah, Mahigan, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, Zuni…etc..

Just glancing through the list of the names, I was able to recognize roughly half of them as having significance in Muslim culture, and in some cases, everyday life. Any native Arabic speaker would recognize nearly all the names.

So my question is, when there are undeniable proofs such as those listed above, (and more in the article itself), Why do people like the writer of this article hardheadedly deny such accurate claims? Is it because the author is a true patriot, and refuses to drop his false history to that of Middle Eastern/Iberian roots?

Columbus never saw a mosque in the Americas. This is a internet lie/myth that is not true. In fact there is no evidence at all that anyone in Africa came to America before Columbus.

MM ur a dumbass, the other guy was saying that the so called ‘native americans’ are originally africans and therefore discover america. columbus isnt even a hero and should be regarded as a villain rather than a hero. the things he did to the native americans was worse than a massacre. KNOW UR HISTORY

Read “IF” post. He gave information that and I quote….

“-Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21,1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain.”

Columbus never made any such claim. It is a lie. (So if the post starts of with a lie, that does not say much about the rest of the information)

and ZZZZZ know your history. Native Americans did were not origninally Africans. You would insult a Native American if you said this.

If you are curious of what Columbus did say, in which Muslims have twisted to suit their own agenda is this…

“on its summit a protuberance in the form of a handsome mosque…”

Columbus saw a mountain summit had a bulge in the form of a handsome mosque. Muslim writers are changing this quote and telling an outright lie by claiming Columbus saw a mosque. They are trying to change history to meet their own selfish desires.

read up on no evidence to support this “theory”…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_Africa-Americas_contact_theories

whoever said Muslims did not discover America are all wrong …….the truth is they did ………OK its just common sense ……which you people don’t have …….many Muslims gave proof to that theory….the Muslims introduced it to the other lands………..the native Americans were already living on it so the Muslims just introduced it to the others

hey MM – Why would you give wikipedia as proof of anything?

I don’t dissagree with you at all, by the way.

I was genuinely impressed with your stream there…then-

wiki?

really, bro?

Check out the University of Pennsylvania Archaeology Department website. You can find links there to any archeological data available in the entire (real) world.

“teach a man to fish…” and all that.

cherrs’

RA Boesenberg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Piri_reis_world_map_01.jpg this map shows that muslims were in america before columbus. Yes wiki is a bad source however the map is actually the real map. Unlike columbus the muslims went there for trading reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXWBfBKLzY <– here is another very interesting video with jerald dirks.

muslim4ever so your argument and evidence is “they just did”

That is one of the most laughable things I ever heard. They were here for trade you say? Ok, what did they trade in? Why are their no Muslim metal weapons, iron pots or anything made by Muslims not discovered in America before 1492? They traded, so where is the evidence?

muslim4ever you say they came here to trade? What did they trade? Muslims would have to give the Naive American’s something? Why are there no Muslim items ever discovered in America that pre-date 1492? If Muslims came here in ships, where did they repair their ships and why are their not parts, tools, repair places left over from these Muslim ships left in America? If they came here in trade, why are their no Native American items, food or anything else in Middle East/Africa that pre-date 1492?

Skjult: Read up on your mape Skjult. It is a fake.

A Chinese world map purportedly drawn in 1763, and allegedly based on an earlier version of

1418, was brought to public notice in early 2006 by Mr Gavin Menzies, author of 1421: the Year

China Discovered the World, and Mr Liu Gang, the map’s owner. This map has been used to suggest

that Chinese navigators circumnavigated and mapped the world in the early 15th century and

that dual hemisphere maps were first created in China. The present article provides a context for

the sudden appearance of this map, and its apparent evidence for Ming Chinese circumnavigation

of the globe. Through a detailed examination of the cartographic elements on the “1763” map and

its alleged 1418 precursor, the many anachronisms and other errors are set down. By demonstrating

and enumerating the numerous impossibilities reflected in the representations of both China

and the rest of the globe, it is concluded that the map is a modern fake.

http://www.e-perimetron.org/Vol_2_4/Wade.pdf

Even Chinese historians say it is fake.

The following comment on the Liu/Menzies map appeared in the Xin-jing bao (The Beijing News) newspaper. It was authored by Professor Zhou Zhen-he, of the Chinese Geography Research Institute of Fu-dan University, Shang-hai. Professor Zhou is a highly respected geographer and this rebuttal has proven quite authoritative in China.

(Draft translation by Geoff Wade 23 January 2006)

Historical research is unrelated to personal emotions

http://1421exposed.com/html/on_the_fake_map.html

tell me these people who are STILL LIVING IN CAVES… have ever done anything but destroy..they did not discover America.. if anyone was here, it was the jews.. since a stone tablet with the ten commandments was found in America in Ohio.. in a small coffin containing a man.. it’s in a museum… so there is no doubt who really was here first…

america:

You made me laugh ……

Actually, I’m not surprised.

The writer is really biased, and his essay is full of dirty words, but it’s not his fault, it’s ours.

we simply let you destroy the world and the environment, and if you were sane enough you’d have read before you write.

Look at what the muslims did in the era you used to call it the Dark ages( as if the world is just about you).

And let me tell you something, what shall we expect from the peoples who worship three Gods.

What shall we expect from the peoples who kill children, women and elderly people in Iraq, Palistine, Afganstan, Shishan, Cashmeer, Bakistan, Kosovo, Sudan……….etc.

Because of your crimes, people like Bin-Laden appeared.

They had no choice after they saw what you did to our world.

Killing people everyday is not a heritage you should be proud of.

Finally, I wanna let you know that we are comming back and awaken.

And you will be brought to justice soon.

I promise……………just wait for us, bro.

Look at what the muslims did in the era you used to call it the Dark ages

Well, they raped, looted, and pillaged from the middle east into northern Africa and into Spain. I don’t know if that’s something that I would trumpet as the peak of society, after all, people had been raping pillaging and looting the area for centuries before hand. It’s hardly remarkable, but it certainly is telling that your grand society arose at the point of a sword, lasted less then 500 years, and took place more than a 1000 years ago.

And let me tell you something, what shall we expect from the peoples who worship three Gods.

Christians and Jews do not worship 3 gods. Maybe you should take your own advice and “read before you write.” That is unless you believe God can’t be three different things at the same time. Tell me, is it impossible for you to be a man, a son, and a father?

What shall we expect from the peoples who kill children, women and elderly people in Iraq, Palistine, Afganstan, Shishan, Cashmeer, Bakistan, Kosovo, Sudan……….etc.

You can expect the same thing that can be expected from people who blow themselves up in shopping bazaars, on public transportation systems, and in places of worship. You can expect ignorance, anger, and intolerance.

Because of your crimes, people like Bin-Laden appeared.

People like Bin Laden appeared because your religion calls for people like Bin Laden to do the things that Bin Laden does.

Finally, I wanna let you know that we are comming back and awaken.

And you will be brought to justice soon.

I promise……………just wait for us, bro.

How remarkable for you to conclude your post with a threat.

don’t fight with past plz. Dear muslim brothers & sisters u must know jibralter=jabir al tariq. So why worry? The christian & jews wanna destroy all muslim & islamic sign from the world but they won’t. Almighty will save us. So no fight with others. Fight yourself to make u a lover of allah, he will take care of u. Lailaha illallahu muhammadur rasulullah.

dear non muslim brothers & sisters(may allah show u the right way) plz don’t b crazy, carefully read ur religious book & ours. I think u will get the light. Never fight with religion, coz jews, christian & muslim all r from allah but allah stopped one when another come,. So the latest one is islam. My one ques” if u have two mobiles, which one u will use? Older one or latest one?” now it is upto u.

My one ques” if u have two mobiles, which one u will use? Older one or latest one?” now it is upto u.

I would use the one that works. When you try to buy what promises to be the latest and greatest phone off ebay and you receive nothing but an empty box you’ll understand the difference.

Beyond that, the god of the Quran is not the same god as YHWH so your phone comparison between the Bible and the Quran is not appropriate. If you read both the bible and the Quran, you’ll learn that Allah and YHWH cannot be the same God.

The god of the Quran is a liar who admits to deceiving men to further his goals. YHWH does not lie. Allah beguiles the hearts of men with promises of Earthly treasures. YHWH promises only an everlasting life in his company. Allah does not grant free will, and promises to personally whip you in hell if predetermines that you are going to fail to please him. YHWH does grant free will in the hopes that you will freely choose to know and love him and hell is a place apart from YHWH where YHWH does not go.

YHWH is not Allah.